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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 10:00 
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Our coon gradings aren't too bad. 21 labeled skins out of 39. Only thing that got us really was the colors. Lot more 4's than I am use to, but 30 were hold overs from Feb and didn't sell because of poorer color. Only 9 fresh coons, that looked like the majority went north central. Almost everything else went western semi. Couple centrals, and one damaged from last auction.

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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498779 XL-LGE II XD RUB,SEM 1
498795 XL-LGE II XD FTY,SEM 1
498857 XL-LGE II XD RUB,FL,PT 1
498859 XL-LGE II DK RUB, PT VF 1
498872 XL-LGE II XD FTY,FL 1
498886 XL-LGE SDB XD-DK FL,VFL 1
498893 XL-LGE I-II XD FTY,VFL 1
498895 XL-LGE II XD FTY,VFL 1
498896 XL-LGE II DK FTY,VFL 1
RED FOX Total
481606 3XL-XXL I-II GDFL 9
481616 3XL-XXL I-II AVFL 1
481644 XL I-II GDFL 1
481646 XL I-II AVFL 2
481651 XL *I AVSP 1
481657 XL SLT GDFL 1
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483693 4XL *SEL 4-5 1
483699 4XL-3XL *I 4-5 1
483782 4XL *SEL 2-3 NC, 1
483798 3XL *SEL 4 NC, 1
483808 4XL-3XL *I 2-3 NC, 2
483813 4XL-3XL *I 5 NC, 1
483815 4XL-3XL SDA 2-3 NC,GD 1
483817 4XL-3XL SDA 2-3 NC,GD 1
483871 4XL-3XL I-II 2-3 NC, 1
483874 4XL-3XL I-II 4 NC, 1
483875 4XL-3XL I-II 4 NC, 1
483876 4XL-3XL I-II 4 NC, 1
483938 XXL *I 2-3 NC, 1
483944 XXL *I 4 NC, 2
483960 XXL SDA 4 NC,GD 1
484001 XXL I-II 4 NC, 1
484035 XL *I 4-5 NC, 1
484042 XL SDA 2-3 NC,GD 1
484076 XL I-II 2-3 NC, 1
484082 XL I-II 4-5 NC, 1
484928 3XL-XXL I-II DK-DBR 1
484991 4XL-3XL III 2-5 1

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 12:20 
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Anything with an * means a labeled skin, basically a garment quality skin, only occurs in select or I quality hides. I am going to assume you know the sizing, skin grade, and color marks. With your fox, SEM means it is in the semi heavy region. RUB means rubbed, FTY means frosty which is just a silvery colored red. It is a flaw, but shouldn't hit you very much, it wasn't anything you did, some reds are that way. FL means flat, VFL means very flat. PT I think means partial, not positive on that though. SEM, FL, VFL all deal with the region in the catalogue the hide is in.

On the rats, GD means good, normally associated with slight damaged hides or I-II grades. AV means average. SP means spring, FL means fall (judged by the patterns in the leather).

On the coons, NC means north central-region grading. GD means good, associated with slight damage A hides, which are select quality skins only with a little too much damage. I am going to guess that the second to the last coon is a fisher coon since they listed the color like that. III means a section 3 hide or a damaged hide.

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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Hey, I got more of those * thingys this time and a few selects for the first time :) Just wish those selects were on larger skins. Maybe next year...

P.S. Half of these hides came off of Thor's farmstead so probably not a lot of genetic gene flow there...

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LOT SIZE |GRADE |COLOR |CLR| QTY
482608 4XL-3XL SDA 5 NTH,GD 1
482612 4XL-3XL SDB 2-3 NTH,AVG 1
482660 XXL *I 2-3 NTH, 1
482680 XXL *I 5 NTH, 1
482689 XXL SDA 4 NTH,GD 1
482912 4XL-3XL SDA 2-3 NC,GD 1
482924 4XL-3XL SDA 4 NC,GD 3
482960 4XL-3XL SDB 4 NC,AVG 1
482961 4XL-3XL SDB 4 NC,AVG 1
483018 XXL *SEL 2-3 NC, 2
483035 XXL *SEL 4 NC, 1
483053 XXL *I 2-3 NC, 1
483063 XXL *I 4 NC, 1
483188 XL SDA 2-3 NC,GD 1
484830 LM I-II-II 2-5 1
RACCOON Total Qty 18

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 13:03 
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I sent 26 coon hides but only 25 are listed, I am guessing this might be due to the recently reenacted rule on hides of no commercial value. The Wild Fur Shippers Council decided last year to reenact an old rule that is posted in one of their mailouts, "In the past, the lowest quality, badly damaged pelts were not marketed , but rather declared as being of "no commercial value," (NCV) and discarded. It is time to reinstate this policy. No one benefits from $1 coyotes and $0.25 'possums. Many of our WFSC members have called and requested that we just throw these badly damaged pelts away. Effective with the 2014 season, we will not market fur that has no commercial value, as it will be discarded and the account grading annotated with "NCV".

Unless the missing hide shows up, I will guess it was a blue hide, don't recall any hides damaged too much that I sent. It will be curious to see if I get a "NCV" listed on my sales slip later on.

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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Could be that Swamp, may also be that it isn't listed yet. NAFA had a notice on our login home page that not all yotes and coons are listed, there are a few bundles not up yet.

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 13:50 
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I am going to guess that the second to the last coon is a fisher coon since they listed the color like that. III means a section 3 hide or a damaged hide.

You sir are correct, is was an almost black coon. I was going to keep it and just tan it myself for a wall hanger but sent it anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 16:35 
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My 40 coons just posted. Not too bad but wish I could get last years prices. I have coons in lots 484603, 484604 and 484605. Just wish I had better color and made it into the top two lots. Still can't complain about 4 coons that grade SEL and 3XL-4XL. Ended up with a really good quality of coons this year. By far the best I have had in the last 10 years.

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26--SEL
12--SDA
1--SDB
1-- I-II

Size for the 40 coons:
7--4xl-3xl
17--XXL
9--XL
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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 17:24 
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You were correct Cat Man, Ol' number 26 just got posted as a DGD-III

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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That's good it showed up Swamp. They did that same thing with one of ours earlier in the day, had one coon not showing then it came up as damaged.

Fieldereast, looks like some good gradings, congrats.

I hope the sale turns out decent, mainly for the cat market. We got some good cats this go around and I don't want them to take a big hit. Don't get me wrong I want all the markets to do well, but I really want to see cats stay good.

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 12 May 2014, 18:16 
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Here are our coon grades, overall we are quite pleased. If the market holds up we will do fine, if not we had a lot of fun setting, catching, skinning, drying, and watching the auction.

484419 XXL *SEL 4
3
484431 XXL SDA 2-3 GD
2
484433 XXL SDA 2-3 GD
1
484434 XXL SDA 4 GD
1
484436 XXL SDA 4 GD
2
484458 XL *SEL 2-3
2
484459 XL *SEL 2-3
2
484463 XL *SEL 4-5
1
484470 XL SDA 2-3 GD
2
484475 XL I-II 2-3
1
484480 XL I-II 4-5
1
484482 LGE *SEL 2-3
1
484483 LGE *SEL 2-3
2
484485 LGE *SEL 2-3
1
484486 LGE *SEL 4-5
1
484487 LGE *SEL 4-5
1
484488 LGE *SEL 4-5
1
484492 LGE SDA 2-3 GD
1
484714 4XL-3XL SDA 2-3 GD
1
484715 4XL-3XL SDA 4-5 GD
1
484730 XXL *SEL 2-3
2
484732 XXL SDA 2-3 GD
2
484733 XXL SDA 4-5 GD
6
484740 XL *SEL 2-3
1
484741 XL *SEL 2-3
1
484743 XL *SEL 4-5
2
484744 XL SDA 2-5 GD
3
484745 XL SDA 4-5 GD
2
484747 XL SDB 2-5 AVG
2
484749 XL I-II 2-5
1
484752 LGE SDA 2-5 GD
1
484854 MED-SML *SEL-I 2-5
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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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The money makers

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601104 4XL I-II OC 2
601113 4XL II-SDG OC 1
601123 3XL-XXL I-II OC 1
601126 3XL-XXL II-SDG OC 1
601142 XL-LGE I-II OC 1

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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
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The money makers

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LOT SIZE |GRADE |COLOR QTY
601104 4XL I-II OC 2
601113 4XL II-SDG OC 1
601123 3XL-XXL I-II OC 1
601126 3XL-XXL II-SDG OC 1
601142 XL-LGE I-II OC 1


You sell all those and you should be able to retire :lol:

From what I been hearing prices have dropped for marten again and beaver might be hard to sell again. I have 42 marten and 30 beaver on this sale. And then 10 days later I have 18 marten and 2 fisher and 1 mink at Fur Harvesters. Got a bad feeling for my species.


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 Post subject: Re: NAFA May sale
PostPosted: 13 May 2014, 06:32 
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Congrats Carpcatcher, wannab, and fieldereast on your coon scoring. It looks like you have some nice pelts up for sale!!!! The only downside is that coon geography may be working against your locations. It appears that the past few seasons, the heavy coons used for the trim trade seemed to be in the highest demand. I just happen to be lucky enough to live in an area where most of my coon fall into these more desired regions of Western Northern and Western North-Central. I would hope that Carpcatcher's 3-4XL I-II Eastern North-Central, or wannab's 2XL Sel* Western Semi-Heavy, or fieldereast's 3-4XL Sel* Eastern Semi-Heavies would go for more money than say my 2XL I* North-Centrals (and I hope they do) but then again they may not just because of the desired coon geography of the market.

The only things a guy can do to fight against fur geography disadvantages is to only go after the critters at their optimal times of harvest (which it appears you all already do), handle your fur well (which it appears you all already do), and minimizes your operating costs. I have probably yet to turn a true profit doing the amount of trapping I do between buying gear and fuel to run a line. If I buy less gear this year, thicken up my coon line to bring all my assets to bear, and add some k-9 sets, I might actually come out ahead this coming year (given that the fur prices set this late winter and spring maintain into next year). I really like to do late winter mink trapping but I didn't do it this season because I couldn't justify the cost of running even a 2-day check for 2 weeks vs. what the mink I caught would bring. I wish the large amounts of public wetlands on the western side of my county were closer but they're not so to come out ahead, I'd have to catch more mink and I didn't have a thick enough line this past season to do it. I don't mind going somewhat into the red to have some trapping fun but to go deeper into red just wasn't an option. Maybe this season but we'll have to see how things shake out, although I'll still probably pick up another dozen or so BMI's 110s just in case :wink: !

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wolf1199 wrote:
cat-man-jr wrote:
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LOT SIZE |GRADE |COLOR QTY
601104 4XL I-II OC 2
601113 4XL II-SDG OC 1
601123 3XL-XXL I-II OC 1
601126 3XL-XXL II-SDG OC 1
601142 XL-LGE I-II OC 1


You sell all those and you should be able to retire :lol:

From what I been hearing prices have dropped for marten again and beaver might be hard to sell again. I have 42 marten and 30 beaver on this sale. And then 10 days later I have 18 marten and 2 fisher and 1 mink at Fur Harvesters. Got a bad feeling for my species.


Those are some decent sized possums Cat Man, I caught none nearly that large this season.

Wolf I know you know the market much better than some of us and I hope your furs do better than what you seem to be expecting.

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I sincerely hope that your species don't take a hit Rob, but I know the feeling of when they do. Any time coons drop off hard it hurts us, they are our main money maker because we can get them in numbers and they have some value. I don't think things will tank at all, but a person may have to get use to some lower prices for a period of time. I know that we are prepared for it with coons. Right now we are still averaging a bunch more on our coons than even 5 years ago when prices averaged $12-13. A lot of this wouldn't be an issue if the Russian crap with Ukraine wasn't going on and the Chinese got back in the game. That's one of the problems of a handful of countries playing such a large part in a market, if for whatever reason they get taken out of the game, the market gets hit pretty hard. One reason I hope North American men and women start wearing fur again, it would create a big market here. For a while there, I seen people wearing fur catching all kinds of good attention and compliments in the news.

Yeah Swamp, they were big. We are selective on the ones we keep though. But, we have been known to bring in 10 and 11 lbs possums.

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Cmj, I was reading in trappers post the Kansas fur trappers had an auction. I was amazed in the amount of fur sold green.......is it unusual for the majority of trappers out there to process they own catch? Y
You guys have a lot of country buyers?

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Cmj, I was reading in trappers post the Kansas fur trappers had an auction. I was amazed in the amount of fur sold green.......is it unusual for the majority of trappers out there to process they own catch? Y
You guys have a lot of country buyers?


I wouldn't say we have a lot but we have quite a few buyers. I can think of 4 or so that are around an hour drive in different directions from me. I have no idea if they are still in business or not though haven't needed to check in several years. But we got buyers spread pretty much state wide, plus at the Kansas auction many people from out of state sell fur.

As far as working fur, the trappers here are like most places on average, a good number put fur up, but still many that don't. What really throws the numbers high for green fur here is the coon hunters. There are a bunch and many of them take a good amount of coons in a season. Got a group of guys that live in and around us that hunt coons and they each take a couple hundred I would guess, a couple of them more then that. Most of them don't work fur because they can't, don't have the time, or the skill to do it. Plus those that have tried it find out that that letting their dogs chew on the coon after being dispatched makes for a damaged put up hide. Although I have to say not all the coon hunters let their dogs do this, nor do all coon hunters sell green, there are a few that work furs.

We even have a group of guys that hunt yotes with greyhounds right around my town.

If you do much checking with Kansas our two biggest furs are coons and yotes with cats coming in third. Under normal years though rats either come in second or third. All of these we have a ton of (except rats right now). So much so I don't think a lot of people realise. Yotes and coon are literally anywhere and everywhere. I forget how many thousands upon thousands of coons and yotes are caught here in a year but I think I could find that figure somewhere.

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Here is that link, just look for the harvest survey. The one I looked at was '12-'13

http://kdwpt.state.ks.us/Services/Resea ... Furbearers

You have to realise too that these numbers are based on a fraction of the number of people that are furharvesters based on license sales.

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i am not setting my hopes to high for this sale, the fur buyers i have talked to say the word coming to them is this sale will be a copy cat of the feburary sale, and one said it was suggested that they rethink their reserves, i sure hope their wrong, but guys with 3-6,000 coon and piles of yotes, cats, badgers etc..... have a better insight on fur than me


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A copy of February wouldn't be too bad in my eyes. Was a pretty decent sale. Martin and beaver didn't do all that great, but they weren't horrible for what sold. Main thing is just clearances of them, and all other furs I guess as far as that goes.

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wouldnt be for me either, i was very happy with my averages after comm, alot of guys were complaining though, i'll take a $52 average on coyotes, $200 on early cats and $24.40 on coons all day long


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wouldnt be for me either, i was very happy with my averages after comm, alot of guys were complaining though, i'll take a $52 average on coyotes, $200 on early cats and $24.40 on coons all day long

Where abouts are you located? I am North Central Kansas. South of a small town called Barnes. 24 miles south east of Washington. Just wondering how close you were to me. :mrgreen:

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im about 2-2.5 hrs west of you on hwy 36, sw of phillipsburg


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im about 2-2.5 hrs west of you on hwy 36, sw of phillipsburg

Might have to hook up sometime and visit. I'm a coon hunter also. :wink:

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