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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 12:32 
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outright banned?? Just curious where urban majorities have put the screws to trapping?? I think, for example, in Mass., a trapper (unless a professional adc person) can only use live traps (including a crazy hoop thing that live traps beavs); no legholds, bodygrippers, or snares. I think we had a member for a while from Ariz. and I think that trapping on public land (a huge portion of the state) had been banned. I think Colo. is effectively off limits to most trapping, as well its very very regulated in Calif. and only in limited places.

I can see in states or parts of states with a very high human population (such as Mass.) where trapping would be difficult or very heavily managed (unattended domestic pets, kids in abundance) but the last 3 states I mentioned have huge areas of rural land with little people. So what are the reasons that trapping has been neutered there?? Because urban majorities now control state wide voting measures/ amendments and much of the urban majorities know little about anything besides what they see directly in front of them or can't think more than 30 seconds on deeper subjects such as how the US Consititution was created to protect minority thought and action (why did so many of our forebarers come here??--so they could escape a central government or church telling them that had to pratice this or do that without their input).

So, for any non-trapping public that wanders onto WAT (or us explaining to our non-trapping family and friends) why we feel passionate about trapping (and most of us hunting), one reason is that's a form a freedom, as silly as it may appear to others. So, if the majority of a democracy can ban trapping, what's next?? We already see the renewewed push to ban guns to various forms (although the SCOUS has decently ruled in the last several years 2 major decisions upholding gun ownership). The road to tyranny often goes through a "democratic" path first. Majority rule always needs to be tempered with upheld freedoms!!

P.S. My older son and I went to see Lincoln yesterday and it wasn't what I thought it was going to be (I thought some sort of biography). No, it dealt mostly with one month in 1865 when they were trying to get the 13th Amendment passed through the House of Reps. For folks who have little working knowldege of the legislative and Constitutional processes, I think the movie might have been hard to follow. And how many of our kids (they used to teach such knowledge in public schools--I think a lot of that has gone away) or adults even know how our governing system really works (or how hard it is to change things such as the US Consitiution). And their vote counts just as much as yours and mine. Democracy indeed but maximum freedoms first!!!

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 12:39 
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NonPC,

A person will notice that in most all the movies coming out of LIBERAL Hollywood CA the LIberals have undertones of their particular messages woven in the scripts.

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 12:45 
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PC it seems to me that most people get caught up in the [it doesn't matter to me cause I don't do it syndrome], for example, take the fellow with a double barrel shotgun who shrugs his shoulders about a magazine capacity law. He thinks it doesn't effect him so he does nothing about it, tooooooooo late he realizes because he was lethargic on the first issue and didn't help fight for his rights that he may now lose his shotgun because there isn't enough left to fight and win. It seems through history that divide and conquer has been the way the evil regimes have gained the upper hand. I'm probably wrong again but that is my right :wink: .


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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 13:02 
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You are so correct Trappintime, down this way it has been such things as hunting deer with dogs, then changing open lands to leased land, it only takes one domino at a time to cause them all to eventually fall! Even if we don't participate in a particular outdoor sport, we shouldn't be quick to turn away and not support them.

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 13:22 
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I think Washington state is limited to cage traps as well. Gonne be a lot more states added to that list if some trappers and associations dont pull their heads out though.

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Here in Florida its snares and cages only, which isnt too bad (it could always be worse...) The only problem is finding good enough land to trap in my region. The areas of abundant wilderness are management areas or state parks, and trapping them is illegal, and the large parcels of land are usually ranches and few landowners allow others onto their property. Finding a good enough place to hunt down here (other than the hard-hunted management areas and the ones that are quato only) is tough too.

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PostPosted: 14 Jan 2013, 13:59 
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Swamp Rat wrote:
NonPC,

A person will notice that in most all the movies coming out of LIBERAL Hollywood CA the LIberals have undertones of their particular messages woven in the scripts.


I point this out to my wife all the time....unfortunately for her :roll:

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trappintime wrote:
PC it seems to me that most people get caught up in the [it doesn't matter to me cause I don't do it syndrome], for example, take the fellow with a double barrel shotgun who shrugs his shoulders about a magazine capacity law. He thinks it doesn't effect him so he does nothing about it, tooooooooo late he realizes because he was lethargic on the first issue and didn't help fight for his rights that he may now lose his shotgun because there isn't enough left to fight and win. It seems through history that divide and conquer has been the way the evil regimes have gained the upper hand. I'm probably wrong again but that is my right :wink: .


never wrong TT. speaking of evil regimes (no, not obama) from wikipedia:

“First they came…” is a famous statement attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. There is some disagreement over the exact wording of the quotation and when it was created; the content of the quotation may have been presented differently by Niemöller on different occasions.[1]

According to the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation the text is as follows[2]:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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