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 Post subject: Fox footholds
PostPosted: 23 Nov 2015, 18:57 
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Will a 1 1/2dj coilspring work well for fox? I got me an MB450 fox special just to try it and it seems significantly weaker than just a regular duke 1 1/2. Ive found a trail that is being used frequently by a fox so I want to put out some sets but I only have one 450. I'll also be using some snares but it would be great if I could use 1 1/2's also because I have a ton of them. Sorry if this is a dumb question. I just want to make sure my sets are all sufficient in holding power.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
PostPosted: 23 Nov 2015, 20:01 
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I would say a 1 1/2 Coilspring should work fine for a fox just so the springs aren't old and weak. Without seeing the mb450 I would assume it would be plenty strong enough. I guess if for some reason the springs are weak they could be replaced.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
PostPosted: 23 Nov 2015, 20:09 
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I have a dozen new 1 1/2's that I'll be using and the 450 is also new. After playing with it tonight I realized it is plenty strong to hold a fox but it is definetly easier to set than the new 1 1/2's. The way I understand it, the springs just help bust through the dirt anyway and don't affect holding power that much. Do you think a 450 could hold a coyote if one happened to work my set? We have very few around but it could happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
PostPosted: 23 Nov 2015, 22:35 
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I don't think there would be a problem at all with a mb450 holding a coyote. Just a smaller target for the coyote to step into.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Yepper, a coyote's paw is going to fill up the jaws of the MB450.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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I'm surprised you have coyote and fox working the same area. By me if I have coyote, there are no fox because the song dogs kill 'em. If I see fox, then there aren't any coyote around.


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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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We have both fox (red and grays) & coyotes here in east TX.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Our coyote population is pretty low in my neck of the woods. I see more fox sign than coyote. We also have a lot of feral cats which would probably get thinned out if we had more yotes. The reason I asked though was because a couple weeks ago there was a yote out in the field where I found my fox sign.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Coyotes will kill, damage and/or eat fox caught in traps.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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I have taken several big coyotes in the regular MB450's. I have also lost a couple from toe catches. If you get a couple toes or more, it will hold them forever, but its not always going to happen that way, so count on losing a few. An MB450 IS a 1 1/2 sized trap, they just have a heavy build with cast jaws. I love mine, as a fox trap, and because if I do get a decent hold on a coyote they do great too. I will say I lost a bobcat 3 seasons ago in a 450 from a single toe hit. I caught the same cat im sure, in a snare last season. 450 had gotten her by a rear foot by a single toe, and her foot was the proof of that. The 450 is an excellent trap for its designed purpose, but though its strong and heavy enough to hold larger predators, its small 1 1/2 size makes getting a good hit in order to hold them risky. Use for fox, and hope IF a yote gets in, its a good enough hit. Run them early if possible.

We have PLENTY of red fox living right amongst our high population of coyotes. The Reds just somewhat change their behavior and stick fairly close to cover. A fox in a trap is another story, but so far I've been lucky.

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Coyote pay in a MB450

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Swamp Rat wrote:
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Coyote pay in a MB450

How much did that yote have to pay to get into that 450??? :lol: :P Couldn't resist Swamp.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Richard Murray wrote:
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Coyote pay in a MB450

How much did that yote have to pay to get into that 450??? :lol: :P Couldn't resist Swamp.



He paid with his HIDE!

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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That's a timberwolf in a 450....

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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TrapperAL wrote:
That's a timberwolf in a 450....

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That pretty much says it all!!!! If it can hold a wolf it can hold a coyote. :--o :--D

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
PostPosted: 25 Nov 2015, 20:27 
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Westside wrote:
TrapperAL wrote:
That's a timberwolf in a 450....

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That pretty much says it all!!!! If it can hold a wolf it can hold a coyote. :--o :--D


One would think but there will be one of them get away too.
Dang nice pic, Wolf. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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I agree.... 450 will hold without a doubt, built rugged. The small jaw size will cost losses though because of more marginal hit percentages on larger animals. I have taken several back foot beavers in the 40 lb range and a near 20 lb bobcat in the #1 sized #11 DLS. Most traps will hold much larger animals then their intended use...IF a decent hold is made. It also depends on the individual animal and how much it struggles, and how long its been in the trap. Its always amazing to see the incredible feats traps can accomplish. Having said that, that type thing can often lead to heart break and let downs. Thats why its recommended to use proper traps per animal. Seeing oversized animals in traps is a testament of how well designed todays footholds really are.
Crazy wolf catch T Al!

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Last night something got into my 450 set and pulled out. All I had left in the trap was some white/tan hair and whatever it was got out after 1 or 2 jumps because the set looks completely fine except for the trap yanked out of the bed. What are your thoughts? Im was thinking deer but where did the hair come from?

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Well, hard to say. So many things could happen. Most times with predators, if a marginal foot/toe hit is made, evidence is left behind, or the animal is there. Normally no doubts in that worse case. Coons on front foot catches have the strength and ability to pull loose. However, no struggle, and only hair in the trap, makes me think the trap hit some other place on the animal, from rolling or laying on it. It dont take much to pull from a trap in that case, and always leaves only hair. JMO though. What it was depends on what is available in your area.

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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This year I had ALOT of deer set of my traps. They hardly make a mess. Usually just deer tracks. I dont get hairs in the traps though............ Like Amak said, could be a different critter set off the trap but not on its foot.......

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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Last night something got into my 450 set and pulled out. All I had left in the trap was some white/tan hair and whatever it was got out after 1 or 2 jumps because the set looks completely fine except for the trap yanked out of the bed. What are your thoughts? Im was thinking deer but where did the hair come from?

With the color of hair you discribed, my guess would be a yote. Rolling, maybe. Very well could have been the back side of the forarm of a yote also, sort of doing a belly crawl up to the set as Ogorman calls it. This has been seen on game camera's he said if I remember right when I read his book "Hoofbeats of a Wolfer". He has a good number of pics of forarm and elbow catches in #3 bridgers. A small trap would stand no chance of holding them like that. It would take a big trap to hold like that. He said many times a yote will kind of sneak up to a set if they are a little nervious so to speak and will get down low on the forarms and approach the set in that manner and the elbow will press the pan and fire. Not saying right or wrong, just a thought to consider. We don't know what we don't know, without actually seeing it on camera. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Fox footholds
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jermbon...- What's you general location such as part of a state, etc.? I can't remember if you gave that info before. Always helps out a bit to put your situation into context.

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