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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2012, 19:38 
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i got this from trapperman.com

These are the provisions of the Feinstein gun ban that will be introduced in the Senate when they return from recess in January.

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and

Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;

Type and serial number of the firearm;

Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and

Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Lets say that this new assault weapons thing passes and becomes law, and lets also say it gets REALLY stupid......and the cops, ATF, FBI, or whoever starts knocking on doors demanding to see paperwork or turn in your "assault weapons". Imagine you are sitting at your kitchen table with your wife and kids and you hear that knock on your door. You look outside and see badges and body armor. Knowing they are here to take your guns, what will you do? I mean seriously, THINK about it. Its easy to be gung-ho on the keyboard, but what will you REALLY do?? I dont know what I will do, its a sickening thought. Will you have a gunfight in front of the wife and kids?? Its something to seriously think about.

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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2012, 22:19 
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Don't really care what they do on Trapperman but the answer is, probably lay there bleeding. :shock:


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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2012, 22:33 
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First, it has to become law. That means passing both the House and Senate. That would be a feat in itself (simple majority in the House, 60 votes for closure in the Senate before they can even vote on it).

But if it becomes law, I'm sure there will be lots and lots of guns stashed in various ways. I have 3 heavy military grade plastic tubes with screw on lids that I bought long ago. Each will hold 2-3 long guns. I'm sure lots and lots of PVC tubes will be made and used. Various ways to keep firearms from rusting while being buried. Lots and lots of territory out there even if they're using metal detectors or perhaps ground penetrating radar.

If they did come knocking in any sizeable numbers, I'm sure there would be armed resistance on both the individual and probably later collective scales. I don't know when the first Lexington Green or Concord Bridge would occur, but I think it would happen. I don't think the idiots proposing/supporting such a law have a clue how it would be hated by millions and millions of Americans. Personally, I don't think the federal agencies have the abilities to implement such a law in a wide-scale manner for a number of reasons unless its the only thing they did, and even with that, they would have to get the military to help out.

As I've said before, I believe there would be large scale defections in active and guard/reserve elements of the military. If there were Lexington Greens and Concord Bridges that happened and martial law was declared, I fully expect there would be potential resistance by specific military leaders and units against the central government. After that, all bets are off. History is written by the victors.

Its not a done deal, not by a long ways...

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PostPosted: 28 Dec 2012, 20:03 
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I honestly believe my guns, ammo and everything else they think they want to ban would be hidden away somewhere and I would probably illegally migrate somewhere other than the USA or go hide out in the woods and disappear untill the decide to remove their heads from their hind ends... I have traps a generator and a cabin on almost 9000 acres in Texas that they would have a hard time finding me on....

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I already sold my guns and bought lava lamps. I'm at peace with the world man. 8) 8) 8)

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I already sold my guns and bought lava lamps. I'm at peace with the world man. 8) 8) 8)


:? Sounds like someone got a new moonshine still for Christmas! 8) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: 30 Dec 2012, 21:21 
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doc9013 wrote:
I already sold my guns and bought lava lamps. I'm at peace with the world man. 8) 8) 8)


Duuuude 8)

Re: the post title: If I told you, that would defeat the purpose! :roll:

As I read that, it is basically the equivalent of national registration, which has zero chance of passing either house. 'Course I thought the same thing about national socialist health care and we all know we are stuck with that forever.

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PostPosted: 31 Dec 2012, 01:15 
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Al- forever is a long time. As provisions of ObamiCare roll out and actually tries to be implemented, most normal people will get bit in the a** and see how truly mucked up it is. It may take 4+ or 8+ years to repeal much of the really stupid stuff, but then perhaps I'm a hopeless optimist. I think 50% of the country is brain-dead or nearly so. The whole total charade going with talking about tax rates for the "fiscal cliff" BS. If we believe the numbers that raising the tax rate on top earners will only bring in about 8 to 10% more revenue of the current deficit the gov iss running, its all a big smoke screen that does nothing to the fact that the federal gov spends much more money than it takes in a year. No family can sustain that kind of over spending for any length of time, and these idiots (fed reserve included here) have the ability to print money.

Yet, the "polls" say the "most" Americans want everyone in Washington to play nice and "compromise". Compromise to do what, keeping spending us into obilivon?? But because "most" Americans cann't think more than 30 seconds on any hard, no easy solution issues, they fall back into their brain-dead status and the idiots win. Just like the idea that we all "deserve" our Social Security from the day we retire until the day we die because they paid into all their working lives. My wife believed this until I ran some numbers for her. She been paying into SS since she was 16 and given het last annual statement, if the gov pays her what they say they will (it won't be the numbers that they currently give because SS will be deep in the red by then but it will be a fraction of what they say, best guess right now is 2/3rds), but with the numbers they currently say, my wife will get back all she has paid in from the time she was 16 until age say 62 in less than 4 years (say 5-6 if her money would have done 5-10% interest a year). After that, its all someone else's money that she is getting from age 67 or so until she dies.

Don't get me wrong. I don't plan to give up my SS just on principle. If the gov offers me "free" money after getting back what I've paid in, I'm going to take it. But it illusrates the point that unless things get tweaked and modified, the situation is simply unsustainable in the long run. And the idiots can continue to print money and try to inflate their way out of things. Bad juju all the way around...

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PostPosted: 31 Dec 2012, 07:30 
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I couldnt agree more PC. Though, I have lost my optimism after the last election. Too many of America's cidiots are on cradle to grave care from the govt. If you dont know where your food comes from or where your s%^# goes, you are not a free individual. Maybe that is oversimplfying it, but it is how I feel these days. Seems to me like the spenders in the govt are trying to purposefully collapse the system. They know what they are doing, you cant sustainably borrow over 40% of the money you spend, year after year. Personally, I think we are living through a soft socialist revolution in this country and there is going to be more hard times to come. As for obamacare, if the speaker of the house can get on the chamber floor and say that the bill has to be passed before it can be read, tells me not enough Americans care or are listening and the socialists will continue their march.

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PostPosted: 31 Dec 2012, 08:12 
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they(the gov) push and push everthing to the point where we are under so much pesure that all it's going to take is one spark to ignite a powder keg coming after our guns might be the spark i can feel the tension every where it's going to blow and thank god i was rised to be self dependent let it collasp i'll live good the ones that are hurting are the ones that been handed everthing there whole life

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I couldnt agree more PC. Though, I have lost my optimism after the last election. Too many of America's cidiots are on cradle to grave care from the govt. If you dont know where your food comes from or where your s%^# goes, you are not a free individual. Maybe that is oversimplfying it, but it is how I feel these days. Seems to me like the spenders in the govt are trying to purposefully collapse the system. They know what they are doing, you cant sustainably borrow over 40% of the money you spend, year after year. Personally, I think we are living through a soft socialist revolution in this country and there is going to be more hard times to come. As for obamacare, if the speaker of the house can get on the chamber floor and say that the bill has to be passed before it can be read, tells me not enough Americans care or are listening and the socialists will continue their march.


Well stated Al .

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PostPosted: 03 Jan 2013, 23:49 
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PostPosted: 04 Jan 2013, 00:34 
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That damb near sounds funny coming from a trapper :lol: , spent a lot of fine quality time on my knees. :wink:


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PostPosted: 04 Jan 2013, 01:58 
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I'm not sure it's within the rules of this forum, but I own firearms for the true intent of the Second Amendment. You can read into that however you like.

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PostPosted: 04 Jan 2013, 23:17 
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Its better to die standing than live on your knees.



That damb near sounds funny coming from a trapper :lol: , spent a lot of fine quality time on my knees. :wink:


Me too. :--D. But i think that saying still holds true.

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 00:24 
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Someone forwarded me this link. Again, sort of a longer essay but I found it very interesting, especially his 3 "lines". I wonder what old Red Rooster would have thought of this essay? I pray that upstanding law enforcement folks are never forced into the position described here or the rest of us as well...



http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.c ... ity-agent/

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 11:03 
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sort of a longer essay but I found it very interesting,


That thing was no essay. That was a full fledged novel :shock: .


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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 18:36 
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I can't help but think "irony " every time I see this thread. For those of you newer members.... there used to be a member on here who went by the name of "Wildman". He tried to keep us all updated on what was really happening ........ but some on here didn't like what he had to say......... and then a bunch of them threw him under the bus. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Guess they should have listened. :wink: :wink: :wink:


Anywho........ Does SHTF mean anything to anyone ?

Probably should be careful what you post on here..... because the walls have ears..... and they also keep a list. :evil: :evil: :evil:


On a brighter note.... there are still a lot of Patriots out there. 8) 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Jackson County Kentucky Sheriff Denny Peyman is making it clear that no law that violates the Constitution will be upheld in his county.
This especially applies to new gun control edicts Obama & Co. are trying to push onto the American people.

Said Peyman: "My office will not comply with any federal action which violates the United States Constitution or the Kentucky Constitution which I swore uphold."

And far from worrying about repercussions for doing this, Peyman sees the gun control push as a sign of weakness that will crumble in the face of real opposition: "Just a few of us have to be willing to stand up to political opposition putting our people at risk. The other side will back down."

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have found a patriot. And his name is Sheriff Denny Peyman

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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2013, 18:40 
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Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the decision.

Ben Franklin.

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doc9013 wrote:
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the decision.

Ben Franklin.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



Actually Doc...Ben Franklin is usually credited with the quote, but this is false. It was coined by James Bovard in 1992.

"Lunches with Wolves" was how Wednesday's New York Post editorial described Governor Spitzer's lunch with Sheldon Silver and Joe Bruno. The editorial begins: "Democracy has been defined as two wolves and a sheep discussing plans for lunch."

A second line is often added: "Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

And finally the phrase is usually--incorrectly--attributed to Ben Franklin.

The word "lunch" wasn't popular until about the 1820s and would not have been said by Franklin.


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I can't help but think "irony " every time I see this thread. For those of you newer members.... there used to be a member on here who went by the name of "Wildman". He tried to keep us all updated on what was really happening ........ but some on here didn't like what he had to say......... and then a bunch of them threw him under the bus. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Guess they should have listened. :wink: :wink: :wink:


Anywho........ Does SHTF mean anything to anyone ?

Probably should be careful what you post on here..... because the walls have ears..... and they also keep a list. :evil: :evil: :evil

No one threw anyone "under the bus". "Some on here"--including darn near everyone, got tired of the incessant posting about conspiracy theories that would clutter up an entire page on this forum. And if anyone here does not think that the vast majority of the members of this forum do not have just as much at stake in the gun control battle as themselves, well they can just take themselves away from here and go hang out at one of the multitudes of internet bulletin boards devoted to conspiracy theories. If Wisconsin would have passed a law like New York just did my guns would be illegal too. We're all on the same side.

As for keeping a list? It seems someone else has been keeping a list, not the management of WAT. We have a lot of great people that frequent this site, so if you do not like it here or you do not think it is for you... go away.

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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013, 16:54 
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