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 Post subject: muskrat through ice
PostPosted: 06 Dec 2006, 20:09 
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What's the best way to trap rats through the ice?


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 Post subject: rats
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Try to find their runs. Easily recognizable by a line of bublles comming from huts or bank dens. Use 110's in runs or footholds if water is shallow. No need for lure/baits.

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just place a trap right below the ice or what?


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 Post subject: rats
PostPosted: 06 Dec 2006, 21:06 
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Yes, once you find their runs, chop thru ice and place 110 conni right where they run. If water is to shallow, you can dig it deeper to accomodate 110 or you can set a coil spring, longspring on the bottom.
If you need to narrow down run, use sticks to form a "fence", place trap right in middle so they have to go thru it. If water is deeper than 10", place trap below ice and take other sticks and place under trap so they must travel thru set trap.

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i totally agree with steelwalker. i sometimes use a heavy stick to tap the ice listening for hollow spots. this usually tells me where the run is if i cant see the bubbles.

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I saw bubbles, but there was no definite trail. There were bubbles all over the place, going in all directions.


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 Post subject: rats
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Ok, got bubbles going all over the place. Assuming we're talking about running creek water, you must remember that the current will carry bubbles. The best thing you can do, or I to suggest, is to try and find a spot which is rather narrow to start with, then narrow it down even farther by placing "fencing" until you are left with a spot wide enough only for your trap to go in.
If we're talking about a slough off of a larger creek, try to walk the shore as best as possible and find where these bubbles start coming out from the shore. This then is where you need to set your trap.
Keep the questions comming. We'll get you on them yet. :wink:

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it is on a small slough with visible houses. It seems like there should be an easily noticable place where they are going into their houses, but it seems like they are going from the houses in all directions. Is there something else that would cause bubbles?

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 Post subject: rats
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Ok, we're in a slough, visible rat house, bubbles seem to come and go from all over.
How deep is the water right by the house? Avg. would do.
When looking at these house, do you see any 1 spot where the bubbles are the size of say a hardball vs. the nickle and dime size bubbles your looking at? If you see a spot close to the house, right next to the house, where this hardball size bubble is, you found the entrance. You can set with a 110 where the hole is or you can place a leghold up in the entrance.

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The average depth probably is around 3-4 feet around the houses. I have noticed smaller and bigger bubbles. Are only the big ones from rats, or are they both? I will look next time I check traps to see if I can find the entrance by looking for the bigger ones. Also, does the trap just hang freely under the ice? Do you just attatch wire to the spring loop and attach that to a stick across the hole or what?


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 Post subject: rats
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Ok, 3-4' of water. Yes, all the bubbles are from the rats. What happens is this, when the rats dive from out of their huts, air is trapped in their fur from being in their huts, when they dive, the air escapes and shows up as bubbles. Where the bigger bubbles are is usually a massing of this escaped air right above their holes, so you get bigger bubbles. As far as the trap goes, I would use a 110 and a stout stick. Their hole should be no more than 6"-1 foot below the ice, if you want chop around and feel with your hand or waders for the hole, if you find it your battle is done. Set the trap at the desired height and wire it so it cannot slide down to the bottom of your state, then place it over the hole or in very close proximity to the whole. If legal in your state and you want a little extra work you can break into the lodge thru the wall and set a foothold right where they come in and out of the water. But check your regs before you do it.

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I'm not really understanding what you mean by their hole being 1 foot under the ice? Isnt it just all open water under the ice? It is legal to chop into the houses in MN, as long as all material removed is wetted and used to cover the hole to prevent freezing.


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got 8 rats this weekend in the houses. Caught 2 in a couple houses with 110s in the entrance and exit, in small feeders.


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How about pole sets? Would they work?

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yes, pole sets should work in this case.

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